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1default Heph next move Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:01 am

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Do you think, guys, something like this can be usefull for somebody.

2default Re: Heph next move Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:09 am

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I guess so...

You should post resources in the resources section :)


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3default Re: Heph next move Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:58 am

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Ok. So now I'll need your help, you awesome stage guys.
This is what I got right now (like a preview or something):

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I can get all those sprites at the maximum resolution. Characters moving, ect.
Now, I got 2 options in front of me:

1/ Trying to make it Low Res
2/Trying to make it HD

So I'm asking you, mates:
1/ If I make it Low Res, did the 1080p resolution of raw sprites is usefull? I mean that maybe it will be less "pixel art" at the end?
2/ (and the most important): If i make it HD: How can I upscaling it? A little bit like Ace-Million Method. You got some advices for me?

I got a really clear idea on how will this stage look at the end, and I will put a lot of stuff (animations here) and time in it.I really think it worth it.

So a third question is coming here:
3/ If I make it HD, upscale it, and put a lot of animations in it; I'll have to apply the filter (or the upscale process) on the other little animations. Do you think that it will looks weird, or something?

Guys, thank you for your help. Really!


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4default Re: Heph next move Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:49 pm

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Don't add filters to it. Don't make it HD. Don't make it Ace-Million style.


But in all seriousness though:
1. LowRes

2. I guess it'll have more "detail" in the sprites, but we're talking about Retro NES Style sprites here. I think it doesn't matter if it's upscaled. I even suggest for you to decrease the image size so that you'll be able to conserve memory.

3. In my opinion, filtered sprites look horrible. It might look good on some stages, but there are so many colors on the sprites you're using. Adding filters to it might ruin the output. I suggest to stick with lowres, unfiltered sprites.

5default Re: Heph next move Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:23 am

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A good lowres stage is like eating a good pizza after a a tough long year. Adding filters to low res style is something a retard would do. Sometimes it works, but 98% of the time, you'll just make it into an Ace-Million stage.


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6default Re: Heph next move Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:49 am

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ok. Thank you, first.
So What I'm planning to do with your advices:
- I'll keep making this stage with the insane resolution, because.. Well I made a lot of stuff.
I got all frames of cop car, the 2 first neon done.
Next step is the green door opening, and more neon rip.

- I'll make it Low Res, then I'll check once everything is done if a filter is required, or not.
What I tried made the stage looks "less pixelated", but It was much more "blurry", it's strange.

EDIT: 3rd neon rip done.
EDIT2: EPIC. This green door got... 68 frames.  Angry
EDIT3: Playing with the .sff, learning how to code basic stuff. It works pretty well. Some animations are already in.  :Shieet: 

7default Re: Heph next move Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:49 pm

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There are ways to filter successfully, but usually the outcome on sprites/resources like this is useless without a lot of patience, artistic skill and redrawing of most of the image. IMO each resource should be made in its given resolution unless you have plans to heavily edit it.


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8default Re: Heph next move Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:17 am

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Ok, G.
As my skills are limited in editing stuff, I think I'll continue for a low res stuff.

Now, I got 2 questions:
1/ With this 1080p resolution (because in fact, this is 1080p), the stage will be Hi Res?
Because if I don't use any filters as you guys recommend me, it will stay with the look retro (not a bad thing), but... How can I tell it? I don't know if you can understand me here or not. :D

2/ If I send a Beta version soon, who wants to test it? (Just little feedback to know If I go in the good direction, or not).

EDIT: All cop cars, neons, green door rips done. 80% of the sprite rip are done. Need more extra stuff.
Stage is working but not optimised yet. Cheesin 

9default Re: Heph next move Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:01 am

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And yes, I think you should set it to Hires = 1, since you said you won't be resizing the sprites. But I think it's very unnecessary since you can just batch resize the sprites using RAD Video Tools, or some Imabe editing program. But there's one problem, since we're dealing with pixel draw sprites, i'm not sure how it'll look once it's resized. If you think it still looks fine even when scaled down, then I suggest that you go with the lowres, scaled down sprites route.

2. I'd love to give it a go. :)

10default Re: Heph next move Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:37 am

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Thank you, MP!!!
Bad news. I made the classic noob mistake.. I didn't checked this parameter, and of course I didn't had this line of Hires=1. In fact I used a .def file of one stage that was Hi Res, and I see that this line was not in.
Well, so I'm afraid to put this line and see that everything  changed.  :mikuunsee: 

Thank you for your help, men!! I'm learning a lot with your advices and with the fact I'm working with Cybaster's tutorial.

EDIT: Ok. I put the line HiRes=1, and this is not as terrible as I expected. I just got to go more deeper in all those parameters. I'll come back later when I'll be ready to give you more progress! :)

11default Re: Heph next move Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:20 am

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Wait, I made a noob mistake too! I forgot to mention that there are other ways of making stages hires. Watta will cover the explanation for you! Hehe.

12default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:04 am

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What version of mugen are you making this for?

MP wrote:Watta will cover the explanation for you! Hehe.

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13default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:30 am

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Mugen 1.1, Watta.
EDIT: But I can make a 1.0 version 2 finger in the noise, if no filter used.
Because I don't think that the Genesis was able to hand millions of colors. :D

(I just have to index the sprite, long but just click process).
I made pretty good progress yesterday. 95% animations of neons added in the .sff.
I need to rip 1 more and add it, plus improving the code, to make them more funky.  :Shieet: 

14default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:06 am

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Alrighty then, hand 'em over to us for testing! Prepare yourself, we won't go easy on you. Twisted Evil 

15default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:17 am

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WE SHALL LEAVE YOU IN ASHES Cheesin


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16default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:18 am

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No problem, MP! When I'm ready for a beta test, this is for you!  pirate 
It will help me to improve my skills! :)
But not now, I think this stage is complete at 20%. I need more time!  What a Face

EDIT: Or maybe when you'll see what I've done, you will say "Holly shit", Watta.  :Sponge: (I hope).

17default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:33 am

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We'll see.  :ILU: 


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18default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:10 am

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Alright, no worries. Perfection can't be achieved with rushing.













But we'll still go Dark Souls on your stage feedback though. NO MERCY!!

19default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:33 am

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NONE  Cannot Unsee 


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20default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:02 am

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Yeah! That's why I'll take the time to do stuff correctly. :)

Do you want I tell you how many sprites it ALREADY has?  What a Face 
Or you want a surprise.

21default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:06 pm

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I would test if i had a computer, which won't be for a while. crying 

I trust MP and Watta will help a lot. Just some friendly reminders:

Hires stages commonly have creators that use huge sprites, watch your FPS and try to keep it running smooth.
Crop your sprites.
Watch your deltas, make sure they are accurate.
Make sure your stage is symmetrical , i.e correct bounds.
Debug remains off.


These are the most common mistakes in stages imo.


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22default Re: Heph next move Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:15 pm

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G:
Yes, this is my problem right now.
But I'll check it last, I think, As if I put HiRes=1 or not, all sprites and animations stays at the good place, so I'll check it at the end.
Yesterday I made pretty good progress too. I got 80% of my overhaul sprites..
So only coding will remains! ;)

EDIT... All my software bugged. I can't finish sprites. Awesome. :NSIS: 

23default Re: Heph next move Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:04 am

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The large sprites are your problem?

Dang, tough break happened to me a lot. Always upload your work in a 2nd place, i have a mediafire/photobucket accounts solely for work resources.


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24default Re: Heph next move Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:07 pm

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(I sent you a preview, G, check your PM)

No, this is not a big problem, for the large sprite.
In fact, I though that my stage was Hi Res due to the sprite resolution I'm using, but I have to check it deeper.
I don"t think I'll be able to put it Hi Res.. I'll see at the end. :)

All my sprites are safe, but the software just... Crashed. I had an issue in the software config file.. So after reinstallation, something went wrong.
But it's ok, I've fixed it in another way. I guess this is not the most popular softwares that works better!  :Cosby:

25default Re: Heph next move Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:00 pm

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Aw man, 1.1 exclusive stage?

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