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1NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:38 pm

kenshinx0

kenshinx0

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Near the beginning of the NZCR project (for those of your who do not know, I'm referring to my Naruto NZC full game.), I made a bunch of stages for it that were close to the originals and quite frankly really looked like crap. As I've learned more and more about mugen and improved my graphical abilities, I realize just how bad those stages are. Now it's time to fix them.

I'm starting with Suigetsu's Stage: Here's a video of it in action:


So, what do you guys think I could do to improve this stage? It's already immensely better than the source, but I want to make it better. I have plans to replace the fog with a better looking fog, but that's all I can come up with for now.


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2NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:44 pm

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Video quality is really winging it, it's a lot easier to test these sorts of things aesthetic or not in mugen. But from what I can see via video you could do something to animate those blue lights inside the glass? Just a thought.


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3NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:51 pm

kenshinx0

kenshinx0

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GLB wrote:Video quality is really winging it, it's a lot easier to test these sorts of things aesthetic or not in mugen. But from what I can see via video you could do something to animate those blue lights inside the glass? Just a thought.

I wasn't sure if I should post a download link or not. :\
http://mugencoder.com/authors/details/37

Those tanks on the side will be breakable. In the current version, not this one, I've removed the automatic breaking of the tanks and water spilling out. I created a completely custom water burst effect and have it hurt all players near it (for a small bit of damage). I'll post a video (because it's not exactly the easiest thing to download lol) when that's done too so you can see the full thing in motion.

Off topic, but not really too much: Is there any way I can take a screenshot of the entire stage? If I could, that would show the whole thing without any guessing, since the video probably doesn't show much of the (uneventful) top area.


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4NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:19 pm

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@kenshinx0 wrote:
Off topic, but not really too much: Is there any way I can take a screenshot of the entire stage? If I could, that would show the whole thing without any guessing, since the video probably doesn't show much of the (uneventful) top area.

There's a way some others do it, they just build the layers of the concept together in PS (or whatever image editor) you could show off the whole stage this way, using indexed sprites can make up for the "how it looks in mugen" argument.


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5NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:31 pm

kenshinx0

kenshinx0

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Ah ok. I thought they might have been using some program I don't know about. XD.

Those lights in the tank you mentioned: To be honest I'm not sure what they are lol. I'm guessing it's NZC's take on frontal lighting for the stage? Yeeeeah, this is exactly why I'm trying to make it better lol.


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6NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:35 pm

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NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) OjtZ7W5
Lol oh i see.

I thought it might've been some sort of reflection.


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7NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:39 pm

kenshinx0

kenshinx0

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GLB wrote:Lol oh i see.

I thought it might've been some sort of reflection.

It's a possibility, I guess. XD

I'll get a video of those changes I was talking about once I'm done with them. Hopefully it will look a little better afterwards. :)

Edit: I found my old comp:
NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) XRoupAR


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8NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:33 am

Watta

Watta

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WASSSSSSSSSSSUP Alexei!!

See man, I told you GLB would give you a lot of useful feedback if you came here. He helps out a lot man :dealwithit: 

I like this interactivity you're gonna use in the stages. I'm afraid most if not all of us don't know much about character coding but we can help you with the stages themselves.

I'll keep you up to date with the stage updates here for convenience


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9NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:32 am

kenshinx0

kenshinx0

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Sounds good. Yeah, you most certainly did. Not to mention, I've kind of been lurking here without posting for too long. Time for me to "try" to be a part of the community.)

Eh, no need to know much of anything about character coding stage interactivity. That's been a struggle of its own, but I got it handled.)) All I ask for is stage help in this thread. :)

Also, Suigetsu's Stage is scaled by 1.5,1.145 to make it look nicely with the characters on it. At a normal scale, the characters are just as big, if not bigger than the tanks... To me, that looked really odd.


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10NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:04 am

Markpachi

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Some Topaz Filters might improve the overall look of the stage IMO.

11NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:15 am

kenshinx0

kenshinx0

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is a topaz filter? Are just referring to a tint on the stage?

Also, your image is broken. :(


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12NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:30 pm

Markpachi

Markpachi

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Odd, the image works fine for me.


And Topaz is a plug-in pack for Photoshop. It has many filters that can help enhance images.
http://www.topazlabs.com/
I got my copy from Watta. You could try asking him for a copy, bro.Thumbs Up 

13NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:09 pm

kenshinx0

kenshinx0

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Weird. I'm getting a 404 on it. :\

Ah ok. I was WAY off lol. Thanks for the info.))) I'll look into it.
Spoiler:
Watta, I'm coming for you! Twisted Evil 


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14NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:07 pm

kenshinx0

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Update: I've obtained the Topaz plugins and did some color correction to the whole stage. I've re-created the fog effect that is now an actual animation instead of a single, tiled, framed with velocity. Now that I think about it, there wouldn't really be enough wind to create a moving fog like that in a musty lab like this. In any case, here's the updated comp screen, exported straight from AE with the fog effect on it:

NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) 0WU7sZ1

Also, the whole stage now has a musty looking tint to it to further add to the creepiness of the setting.)))


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15NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:20 am

Watta

Watta

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Oooo looks better now man What a Face


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16NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:35 am

kenshinx0

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Thanks man! Those Topaz plugins are amazing, though a little awkward to use with PNGs for some reason. Thanks for the recommendation MP. :)


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17NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:53 am

Markpachi

Markpachi

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Woah, that fog looks incredible!

18NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:51 am

Watta

Watta

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I told MP about the plug ins in which he told you....

Spoiler:
You're welcome Alexei Cheesin

Yo check your inbox @ MFG


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19NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:36 pm

kenshinx0

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@Watta wrote:I told MP about the plug ins in which he told you....

Spoiler:
You're welcome Alexei Cheesin

Yo check your inbox @ MFG

Ah ok. Well thanks to you both. :)
Spoiler:
I replied on MFG.


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20NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:20 pm

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Yes, Topaz can be quite a useful plug-in for image enhancement.


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21NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:33 am

kenshinx0

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Yep! I think I'm going to use this same treatment for my others too. The Forest stage is the worst of it though. Mainly because it doesn't actually have layers that can be separated and given deltas. It feels like a still image, which is horrible because I KNOW I can do better than that crap. I'm trying push myself and get better, whereas that's just pathetic, lol.)


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22NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:15 am

kenshinx0

kenshinx0

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Final Suigetsu Stage:


Up next is the Uchiha Hideout. I've got plans for a new, more real rain effect with two layers, some dark clouds, new lightning effects with full screen flashes for the back and front. I've already color corrected it.
NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Before_after


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23NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:16 am

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Looks much better. You can tell the difference in contrast by tons.


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24NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:18 am

kenshinx0

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Thanks man!)) Yeah, I know that. I guess I had no sense of that when I made this the first time. I was just going accurate to the source, which was a bad idea lol.


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25NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) Empty Re: NZCR Stages (Revamps of the revamp?) on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:38 am

Markpachi

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That stage interactivity. It looks so incredible.

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